BillP Studios under attack
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Author: BillPStudios, Location: Scotia, N.Y. USA PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:26 pm    Post subject: BillP Studios under attack
BillP Studios became the latest software developer to receive a cease and desist letter from a well known spyware company.

According to IBIS, LLC publisher of WebSearch Toolbar...

"WinPatrol detects our products running processes WToolsA.exe and TBPS.exe and
tries to disable them"

"We believe your product was developed with clear intention of harming IBIS, LLC, and preventing it from distributing its applications to users and interfering with its business relationships."

The interesting part is they provided screen shots of their programs in WinPatrol but they don't mention our PLUS information where we provide information on how horrible they really are. The screen shots also note that we detect SDHelper.dll and NavShext.dll. They obviously have no clue how WinPatrol functions and that its doing exactly what its users want.


The full letter with screen shots can be viewed at
http://www.winpatrol.com/support/ibisthreat.pdf

For information on other companies being threatened
http://www.benedelman.org/spyware/threats/

Bill
Author: Ikeb,  PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:53 pm    Post subject: Re: BillP Studios under attack
BillPStudios wrote:
BillP Studios became the latest software developer to receive a cease and desist letter from a well known spyware company.

So what is your response?

BillPStudios wrote:
The interesting part is they provided screen shots of their programs in WinPatrol but they don't mention our PLUS information where we provide information on how horrible they really are. The screen shots also note that we detect SDHelper.dll and NavShext.dll. They obviously have no clue how WinPatrol functions and that its doing exactly what its users want.

But in effect the PLUS info is private right? They'd have to pay for the privilege of reading it and I doubt thay'd want to pay for that! Wink
Author: BillPStudios, Location: Scotia, N.Y. USA PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 4:58 pm    Post subject: Response
Quote:
So what is your response?


At this time my response is to laugh however we must review all threats of a legal nature. WinPatrol doesn't do anything indicated in the letter other than to prove that we do what our users request. It also proves that they are responsible for other files which appear in their screen shots.

Bill
Author: Ikeb,  PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:47 pm    Post subject:
Dunno if you've followed the CastleCops response to their cease and desist, but I'm sure you can count on Paul and Robin to provide any private advice you may wish to ask them for. Wink
Author: BillPStudios, Location: Scotia, N.Y. USA PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:02 pm    Post subject: Paul and Robin's help
Hi Ikeb,

Yes, while I suspect Robin is pretty busy these days along with Paul, but I know I can count on their help.

I have also had commitments from others who have been antagonized in a similiar manner.

You will probably see this incident added to the following

http://www.benedelman.org/spyware/threats/


Bill
Author: BenEdelman, Location: USA PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:35 pm    Post subject:
Just as Bill expected, I have added this matter to my threats page. http://www.benedelman.org/spyware/threats/
Author: TeMerc,  PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:10 pm    Post subject:
Well, Bill its good to see you get a laugh at these idiots. One can only hope their lawyers suck them dry persuing such absurd claims. It wouldn't surprise me if they were the same bunch of ambulance chasing lawyers who have made other claims, against other folks such as yourself, all baseless without merit. I guess they all figure at sometime, one of you will cave, much the way things, in my opinion, happened at Lavasoft and WhenU.

Keep up the good fight, Scotty needs to bite these guys where it hurts!!!
Author: Paul,  PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:49 am    Post subject:
Front page:

CastleCops Link/article-5891-nested-0-0.html
Author: suzicat,  PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:33 am    Post subject:
Blogged here:

http://netrn.net/spywareblog/archives/2005/04/11/ibis-llc-another-adware-company-attacking/

Edit to stir the Google juice:

DSLReports.com discussion here:

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13144805
Author: Paul,  PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:37 am    Post subject:
Thanks Suzi, I read your blog entry. Very nice. It is about time we send a unified message from all spyware-critics. We're not giving in. We're doing the right thing.
Author: YoKenny, Location: Canada PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:28 pm    Post subject:
I'm spreading the word.image
Author: negster22,  PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:48 pm    Post subject:
It's time for Scottie to start growling!

It is the behavior of the Ibis toolbar itself, not WinPatrol's say so that makes it the anathema of computer users. Having tended to quite a few HijackThis logs, I can say there was a time period when WinTools, a variant of the Ibis toolbar, ranked right up there with CWS and VX2 as the posters' chief complaint. The users were reacting to the havoc the program wreaked on their systems, not what WinPatrol's program data base or anyone else's reference defined it to be. Not a single one said "WinPatrol identifies this as malware can you remove it." No..they just complained about their PC being nearly nonfunctional. Just look at how many views this topic on WInTools received. The users were desperate to have this crap removed.

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Author: BillPStudios, Location: Scotia, N.Y. USA PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:15 pm    Post subject: IBIS Part II
Another letter from IBIS arrived today.

This time it was an almost identical letter as before but with a twist.
This one claimed to be IBIS LLC but the letterhead was
XACTI CZ, s.no.
America 23/525
120 00 Praha
Czech Republic

All the text was the same as the one from Boco Raton but it was signed by Mgr. Petra Prochazhova, Legal Department Manager.

Screen shots were the same too but on this one they underlined which programs were theirs which was helpful
http://www.winpatrol.com/support/ibisthreat2.pdf shots were the same too but on this one they underlined which programs were theirs which was helpful
http://www.winpatrol.com/support/ibisthreat2.pdf

Bill
Author: Ikeb,  PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 5:42 am    Post subject:
Rolling on the floor laughing... Too much! First of all they kindly told you "OK here's the crap that's ours". Secondly interesting that they have a few anti-malware applications to keep this sort of crap out of their own machines. And thirdly, there's nothing in any of your screens that claims that any of those underlined processes has any association with spyware! Shocked

Of course we expect you to say just that in your PLUS info service ... now that they've kindly confirmed their stuff for you. Wink Laughing
Author: VaMPiRiC_CRoW, Location: Portugal PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 4:11 pm    Post subject:
Bill, I think that the best you can do is to ignore them... Wink
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