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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 4:21 pm    Post subject: Thursday Team Tidbits
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The article for the Front Page only contained the leading paragraph. For some reason, the code I submitted was causing a problem for Paul.

I have the page up on The Castle Gate if you would like to view the whole story. This is the address for the page: http://groups.msn.com/TheCastleGate/yourwebpage.msnw

To save the page either go to the Documents folder for it or right-click the link below and choose, "Save As".
http://www.msnusers.com/TheCastleGate/Documents/Thursdays%5FTeam%5FTidbits%5Fvol1.html

The page "Folding@Home For The Holidays" can be found here: http://www.msnusers.com/TheCastleGate/Documents/FOLDING%40HOME%20FOR%20THE%20HOLIDAYS.html

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 5:53 pm    Post subject:
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The Front Page article has been updated, edited and is now complete.

It also features one of hearteaters graphics which I animated. Now all we need for the articles is a header and a graphic to go along with it, so I can post these under "Team F@H" instead of the generic "CastleCops" Exclamation

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The Front Page article about the team has undergone some cosmetic changes.

Paul has added the category and hearteaters graphic for the new category and from now on all team articles will go under that "banner".

At the moment it is linked back to the short version, but should be fixed shortly. The link to the full article is: CastleCops Link/article-5881-thread-0-.html-1

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:07 am    Post subject: Vol. 1
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This is a slightly modified version of last week's front page article.

Thursday Team Tidbits

You probably missed the recent buzz in the Folding Forums. Unfortunately, some other "events" overshadowed the reporting of this news, so it is late in coming to your attention.
The team was celebrating a few notable milestones.
On Friday, Feb 11, 2005 6:32 A.M. after waiting through the night for the update I was able to announce to the team that our one millionth point had been recorded.

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This Milestone was recorded by the Stanford servers at 03:08:08 A.M. and captured at 06:29:36 A.M. E.S.T.
It's a small thing really, but only one hundred seventy (170 out of 36,234) teams had achieved it before us!
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Several Notable Items:

Tamara_aka_Satchick, who now leads the team, became the first to complete 1,000 Work Units.
On Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:42 am, she posted,
"At 9:12 am today, I see my 1000th Wu was completed!
I seem to get a lot of the small ones and so they add up quickly."

This achievement forshadowed another event nine days later when I posted,___________________________
"Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:00 pm___Post subject: Congrats Satchick
.__Rank__. ________________User________________ _________Score________________ WU ______
._1 Tamara_aka_Satchick 100,362 1,086

Ikeb coined the phrase "Grand-Folder" when satchick became the first team member to fold 1,000 Work Units.
Now she can add "First CCSP member to reach 100,000 Points" to the resume!"

satchick, as she is known onsite, wears many hats including 1st Responder and Entertainment Host. She is also fortunate enough to be in charge of a network of computers at her job, and is able to utilize, these unused computers for the science of Folding@Home. A network of computers running a Distributed Computing project, is known as a farm. *


* NOTE: _ It is very important for someone to obtain permission from a company before utilizing their computers in this manner.

Lawsuits have been brought by some companies against individuals for doing so without permission!


Another "farmer" is Barrius, who has jumped all the way to the #2 slot on the team. No one knew who he was until I accidentally found him in the Folding Forums. Besides his prolific output, he has since been an added asset to the team sharing his extensive knowledge of the program and the setting up of farms, and computers without direct access to the internet with the rest of the team.

In the early days of the team, it was the enigmatic rsclark3 that led the way. By the second month of existence, almost half of the work done by the team was done by rsclark3. Without that kind of leadership, perhaps some others might not have taken notice!

Some of our newer members are very active in either crunching Work Units, sharing ideas, or both. An interesting discussion on CPU cooling was initiated here: Hot CPU Slows WU Process to 37% by Zin, and Shiftless added great links to information and some fabulous photos. Other newer members creating a ripple in the standings include Kraken, Atomic_Punk, Shiftless, vmax, Remnant and MrPatLarge ({read that as MrP@Large} who just completed the fastest rise to the Top Ten in our short history) to name just a few.

In addition, kudos go out to Barrius for donating some of his "farm" to fold in the name of a comrade on the team, who had been unable to do so.

MrP and Barrius are both participants of the Beta testers - those who troubleshoot newer versions of the program before it is made available to the public at large (no pun intended - really).

Are teams Important?

In the grand scheme of things, teams are only important to provide a sense of identity for those partaking in it!

In this light, points are equally unimportant. It is merely a way to track one's progress. Participating in a team provides a diversion for the neverending task of crunching Work Units and provides some friendly competition between teams and between team members.

The really important thing is the science - the results turned in to further scientists' understanding of the role the Folding or misfolding of proteins plays in the development of certain diseases. Several important papers have been published by Vijay Pande and the rest of the Folding/Stanford team. Several of these abstracts are posted in the forum for everyone to see. The "full-text" .pdf versions are also available at Stanford, here.

__________________________________ March Milestones _________________________________.
User Name Milestone User Name Milestone User Name Milestone New Team Members
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Tamara_aka_Satchick image
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rsclark3 100,000

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We would like to send out a big hello Hello
nfntjy 80,000

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Chuck2 50,000

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vmax
seafsee
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and THANK YOU to:

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TJXPERT
MrPatLarge
Mirin
GGSearch
DaveMo
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Shiftless
Remnant
sputnik365
chuck_hail
Kraken
Atomic_Punk
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bcorreira
Crash39
FisionChips
Acsell
mctoo
P3-450
Aidin
RayJay1
wawadave
Buckc
Cateyes687
Ikester
Marvin_Wilson
Jason_Bosslett
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hearteater
lionsden
iaggod
Itchywolf
kikosho
5,000
Scott_562
Scoticus
J.Win
Louise
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Back in May 1999, scientists at Berkeley University in California launched an ingenious program to crunch raw data from Arecibo radio telescope, the largest antenna on Earth in the form of a computer screensaver. Thus SETI@Home was born after three years of development and searching for a corporate sponsor. Finding no takers, the developers turned to The Planetary Society for help, which in turn also turned to Gene Roddenberry and Paramount pictures.


SETI@Home succeeded beyond expectations. To date, more than one million hours of computer time has been donated to the project. The success of SETI@Home has opened the door for other Distributed Computing projects such as the ever-popular Folding@Home.

The classic SETI@Home is now in it's final stages. However, the search is not over. In many ways it is just beginning!
The same team that created the classic SETI@Home has now developed BOINC - the Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing. BOINC offers a ready-made package to scientists interested in applying distributed computing to their projects.

Our BOINC Team is Castle Cops and is currently involved with three projects; SETI@Home , Einstein@Home , and Climate Prediction dot Net , a weather model software program similar to the one seen in the movie "The Day After Tomorrow". Ironically, all of our BOINC team(s) members are also involved with Folding@Home.
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1 seafsee 16,884 311 618 3,230 134
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Great write-up, seafsee! Just one small addition - I am not normally one for blowing my own trumpet but I also passed 20,000 points some time in the last week of March. Not what I would call a farm here but I now have 6 machines folding having managed to persuade one of my colleagues to let me install F@H on both his old and new PCs.

Unfortunately, I messed up the last WU on the Win95 box. We had had a power cut and, before I restarted, I checked the files to see if any looked as though they had been corrupted. As expected, there was garbage at the end of the log files and it looked like there was some more at the end of the "dyn" file so I removed it. Big mistake! The "garbage" turned out to be the hashes/checksums and, because it couldn't validate the checkpoint, F@H restarted the whole work unit from the beginning. This was really annoying as it takes about 30 days per WU and it only had about 2 or 3 days to go. Sad All of the other machines continued ok without my interference.

Moral of the story: F@H is quite good at recovering after problems providing you LEAVE IT ALONE....

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patermann congrats!!!

i hate those set backs. but you know now what not to remove.....


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I'll be sure to add you on the current article. My apologies for the omition.

Incidentally, amongst the various stats I mentioned elsewhere, you are in elite company by virtue of this:

Client statistics by
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Type Active Active % All All %
Win 95 101 0.0 3030 0.3

The question of what constitutes a farm was brought up by ol' Mc satchick in another thread, and I will have to search further for a definitive answer if one exists.

Yesterday when vmax flew by me, I decided to check individual folders and saw your six (which I incorrectly attributed to vmax {13!} elsewhere) and noticed many running multiple PCs. It will take me a while to sort out all the info.

Personally, anything over two PCs I would consider a farm.

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Shocked Really? I was thinking that two might be a flower bed, my four a garden patch, perhaps 10 a small farm? ... So when do we get to ranches? Razz


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 1:42 pm    Post subject:
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seafsee wrote:
I'll be sure to add you on the current article. My apologies for the omition.

That's ok - I just wanted to make sure that your stats were complete! Wink Glad to help the cause.

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Incidentally, amongst the various stats I mentioned elsewhere, you are in elite company by virtue of this:
Client statistics by
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Type Active Active % All All %
Win 95 101 0.0 3030 0.3

Wow - I hadn't noticed that! I am afraid the Win95 machine struggles somewhat (233MHz Pentium 1 with 64M RAM) and takes about 30 days per WU. It does nothing else but run F@H as it doesn't have enough memory to do anything else, poor thing.

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The question of what constitutes a farm was brought up by ol' Mc satchick in another thread, and I will have to search further for a definitive answer if one exists.

.... snip ....

Personally, anything over two PCs I would consider a farm.

One of my other boxes is W2K Server running on a 350 Mhz Pentium II with 128Mb RAM so this struggles as well (barely enough RAM for the OS!). It downloaded a Gromacs WU last Saturday and is currently projected to finish around 31st May. Shocked

So overall, most of the work is done by the other 4 boxes which as Ikeb suggested is barely a garden. How about 6 is an allotment? (Do you have allotments in the US?)

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One of the many things I've been stockpiling for an alternate stats post is exactly Client statistics by Windows OS subtype. I'm not exactly sure, but there may be one other on our team also running Win 95. The only machines I have left to run Win 95 are now all 486s with a max capability of only 32 MB RAM, unfortunately. I don't think any DC projects have a minimum that low.

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(Do you have allotments in the US?)
Sorry, I am clueless here.

The latest TTT installment was posted very soon after submission and is up. The lateness is entirely my fault.
For some reason, a lot of my formatting was whacked in the process, even though I simplified things a bit and thought I had identified the previous problems.

Oh well, back to the drawing board again.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 3:01 am    Post subject: Thursday Team Tidbits vol. 2
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Thursday Team Tidbits vol. 2


Last week I hinted other "events" conspired to make reporting of team news late without getting into the specifics of these events. A recent front page article here talks about another "event". Be sure to read Ben Edelman's page (Last Updated: April 11, 2005). Since February, no less than nine different vendors have tried pressuring either anti-spyware/adware programs and/or security forums to de-list them from their databases to prevent detection. Many have sent Cease and Desist letters, like the one Castle Cops received in February.
My feelings on this issue are best reflected by this post:

seafsee @ broadbandreports.com/dslreports.com wrote:
Since so many wind up putting money into the hands of malware producers accidentally by being seduced into possibly buying a bad program, or by a drive-by download, computer users can make a statement by supporting the products they find useful and enjoy.

This extends to supporting the forums where they spend the most time. Freeware is wonderful. If you want to win the fight, you got to back the folks in the trenches.

Try hitting that PayPal button and getting a premium membership, or sending $10 for that freeware that yanked your rear end out of crapware hell

On now to the latest team news.......



What Is A Farm ?


The previous article sparked several discussions in the forum among the team. Many want to know exactly "what is a farm?" and I don't have the definitive reply to that yet, but a quick glance through all the various stats reveals many more than previously suspected. Part of the reason for not knowing beforehand is several of the team don't post in the forum very often! It was also pointed out that a new farmer's milestone* didn't make last week's list which I have rectified below.

User Milestones In Past Week
User Name Points/
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Tamara_aka_Satchick 180,000
2,000 wu
Barrius 140,000
1,000 wu
MrPatLarge 050,000
Atomic_Punk 030,000
drbaker123 030,000
* patermann * 020,000
Marvin_Wilson 020,000
virus4dummies 020,000
kikosho 010,000
Scott_562 001,000

The latest update for the entire team is below. It took nine months for us to reach the first million points which you found out about last week. Two months later, we are well on the way to the second million!

Date of last work unit 2005-04-15 06:06:34
Active CPUs within 50 days 227
Grand Score 1,643,433
Work Unit Count 13,614
Team Ranking (incl. aggregate) 141 of 37489

Wednesday saw us post new daily highs in points on our own stats - 19,713; extremeoverclockering.com - 15,328; and also kakaostats.net - 17,582. We are averaging almost 12,000 points and 69 work units daily.
There has been confusion regarding some of the stats being reported among the four major stats sites we follow. All data comes from one place - Stanford . The differences are usually minor and reflect the differences in certain criteria used among the among the different sites and the scripts used to accumulate the data. This includes different time zones.

Folding@Home uses Universal Time for the purpose of defining a day. Other sites use the time zone where their servers are located. Active vs. inactive is defined differently with Stanford setting that line at 50 days, while extremeoverclockering.com uses 30 days for instance. Sometimes, in the presentation of stats, a little poetic license is taken because different sources will be combined to flesh out some numbers that one site might report and another site does not. With this in mind, here is a big reason our team has achieved so much so soon.

We have 71 active users out of now, 135 members. They are running 227 CPUs. Doing the math, our active users average slightly over three CPUs each! Of all team members the average is still 1.68 CPUs/member!


Welcome New Member


We have shown a higher than average active member status for some time now, and the numbers keep growing every week. Our newest member, jmschwartz , who came aboard late Wednesday evening, EDT has 5 work units completed already and has mentioned he'd be putting F@H on all his available computers. Following the link in his uname indicates he has four CPUs working for the team! Thumbs Up


Folding Fact Of The Week


This is normally presented as Folding Fact of the Day on the Stanford pages. I have also been reproducing these in the forum .
Folding fact #0
The first molecular mechanics implementations date to the 1940's, but only in the late 1960s/early 1970s did the availability of digital computers make such calculations tractable.

B.O.I.N.C.


To quote a most beloved movie, (and I know at least one team member will appreciate this) BOINC stats are "... a horse of a different color".
There are teams for the different projects of which there are seven, three of which we are involved with; teams within teams; and teams by country. Each article will focus on a different project - a different segment of our overall BOINC team.

Einstein@Home is the newest project open to the general public coming online in late February. As such, it has fewer members, and less work completed than some of the more established programs. SETI@Home, and Climate Prediction dot Net have been around longer and both are running a classic verson of their program in addition to the BOINC version, which complicates matters further, and is broken down further by Total Credit and Recently Added Credit (shown as TC and RAC respectively).

Our Einstein@Home team is currently at 996 out of 2,050 teams (TC) and also has the most individual members. It has the best chance of raising in the ranks, though in my opinion, the important one is CPDN.

Today ...


In the U.S.A. it is Tax Day.

CNN reported that Starbucks will begin using Wind Power in their restaurants in addition to recently starting to use recycled materials in its cups. Climate change and the effects on coffee production worldwide was cited as a concern. (Perhaps, I'll email them and tell them about CPDN !!!)

McDonald's turns 50 today.

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(Do you have allotments in the US?)
Sorry, I am clueless here.


Sorry to confuse you, seafsee - I suspected that allotments were a British thing! An allotment (in this sense) is a piece of land that is rented from the local authority for the purpose of growing plants. They are usually used for growing vegetables which may be for your own consumption, to sell, and/or for entering in local competitions. There was always intense competition for allotments and, as more and more land is used for building, allotments are fast disappearing. They are not large pieces of land but they are bigger than the average garden - hence my suggestion of 6 CPUs.

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Looks good to me! I don't know how you find the time but I for one am very glad you do - I am fascinated by it all.

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P.S. I forgot to thank wawadave for his congratulations - thanks, wawadave!


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Sorry to confuse you, seafsee - I suspected that allotments were a British thing! An allotment (in this sense) is a piece of land that is rented from the local authority for the purpose of growing plants. They are usually used for growing vegetables which may be for your own consumption, to sell, and/or for entering in local competitions. There was always intense competition for allotments and, as more and more land is used for building, allotments are fast disappearing. They are not large pieces of land but they are bigger than the average garden - hence my suggestion of 6 CPUs.

We have "lots" in Canada ... as in "suburban building lots". They can get pretty teeny in a city but rural lots are about 2 acres in these parts. I'm guessing that "lot" is a short form of "allotment". Sounds good. So we have a flower box (tray perhaps?) [2], garden [4], lot (allotment?) [6], farm [10], ranch [Perhaps whatever Satchick or Barrius run?] ... Or we could go logrithmic ... i.e. 1 > 2 > 5 > 10 > 20 > 50 ....


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Just a reminder ...

When the formatting problem is determined and fixed, I will stop reproducing them here.

Instead, they can be found at The Castle Gate > Documents. There is a folder called Thursday Team Tidbits. All vol./versions will be found here.
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